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Onhan sitä ennenkin näitä tehty. Eikös esimerkiksi Ramba "M16" Somdet ollut painoluokassaan rankattu jossain kohtaan 10 parhaan vapaaottelijan joukkoon. Mies taisi olla päälle 35-vuotta kun aloitti vapaaottelun.

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Kauniit ja rohkeat jatkuu jännittävissä tunnelmissa. Buakaw on käynyt Hong Kongissa ottamassa kuvia paikallisella ämämaa-salilla (Buakaw harjoitteli maapuollustusta, koska osaa jo taistella seisaaltaan) sekä Bruce Leen patsaalla (+ auttoi ihmisiä auto-onnettomuudessa ja sai poliiseilta pokaalin). Tämä ei tietenkään sovi ultra-konservatiivisille ja -nationalistisille Thaimaalaisille, jotka näkee kaikenlaisen painimisen likaisena ja epäjalona touhuna. Buakaw kuitenkin vannoo niin kuin Syltty Rambo kolmosessa, että muitai virtaa suonissa (Syltyllä virtasi sota). Miksi Buakaw meni sitten lakana päällä vääntämään, kun tiesi mitä siitä seuraa? Miksi thaimaalaiset pamput vetävät moisesta durianit sieraimiin ja miksei Thaimaassa treenata edes krekoa? Miksi muka ämämaa on pamppujen mielestä niin hurja laji, keskiverto thaikkumatsissa osuneiden iskujen määrä lasketaan kuitenkin sadoissa ja hanskat ovat kevyimmissä sarjoissa liki unssilleen samat? Näihin kysymyksiin saamme varmaankin joskus vastauksen.

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Buakaw has been invited to attend the Golden Eagle Awards ceremony for those involved in prevention & resistance against crime & drugs. This event to mark the occasion of World Anti-Narcotics Day will be held on 23 June 2012 at the Royal Thai Police Welfare Division in Pakkret, Nonthaburi.

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*** BUAKAW NEWS ***
27 June 2012. The Deputy Governor of the Sports Authority of Thailand (SAT), Mr. Sakol Wanphong, said that he is very disappointed & sad over the news that the top muaythai boxer Buakaw will go down the path of fighting in MMA in Hong Kong & Macau. He said that MMA is a 'savage' sport that involves fighting on the ground in a cage until a fighter loses consciousness, & so the SAT is against having MMA fights in Thailand. He said that ground fighting is unbecoming of a 'real man' & 'ungentlemanly'.

Mr. Sakol said that the SAT is studying existing laws to see how they can stop this.* He believes that Buakaw's image as a top muaythai boxer in the world will be ruined if Buakaw switches to fighting in MMA. He said that anyone who sees images of Buakaw fighting on the ground in this 'barbaric' sport will be disappointed. It will be a tragedy for the muaythai community of Thailand that their top muaythai exponent cannot fight in muaythai but has to fight in a 'savage' sport instead.

[* It is not clear whether 'this' refers to stopping MMA fights from being organised in Thailand, or stopping Buakaw from fighting in MMA, or both.]

Mr. Sakol said that people in the sports community of many countries, especially Europe, had written to SAT expressing their disappointment over how Buakaw had to retire from boxing because of contract issues, as they regard him as the international ambassador of Thailand's national sport.

Mr. Sakol said that he wants to warn all those involved, including Buakaw himself, against taking the MMA route. He has asked the SAT's Board of Boxing Sport to resurrect muaythai so that more Thai people will want to learn muaythai to preserve the art & for self-defense. He wants muaythai to be seen as a 'sport of gentlemen' & be ranked as the top combat sport in the world, & also to change the image of muaythai as being only about business & gambling. This is because Thai people are learning the martial arts of other countries.

Source: http://m.dailynews.co.th/
~ Translated by Ying ~


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Today (13 June 2012) there was a collision between a motorbike & a car at an intersection in Bangkok. Buakaw came to help the motorbike rider involved in the accident.

Yokkao @ FB kirjoitti:
*** BUAKAW NEWS ***
29 June 2012. Buakaw denied that he is going to fight in MMA. This is after rumours of him switching to MMA spread online, based on photos of him learning & training MMA in Hong Kong.

The Banchamek Gym facebook page has been showing photos of Buakaw training in MMA. As a result, sources have said that Buakaw will switch to fighting in a sport that is ...not controlled by the law [Boxing Act] after retiring from muaythai. This is because the Sports Authority of Thailand's Board of Boxing Sport has suspended him from boxing for 6 months after he fought in the Thai Fight event on 17 April 2012 without the permission of Por Pramuk camp. Buakaw had also announced his retirement from muaythai at the end of May after failing to resolve his problems with Por Pramuk camp.

Buakaw confirmed that he has not decided whether or not to pursue MMA. He was in Hong Kong only at the invitation of a gym there to train his fitness in a more complete way. 'I still want to fight muaythai forever,' Buakaw declared at an interview with Channel 7 at Mor Chit this morning. As for the photos [of him training in MMA], learning other sports is just one part of his training, & muaythai is still his foundation & core. 'Muaythai is still in my bloodline', Buakaw said.
As for the Board of Boxing Sport's decision to uphold his 6-month suspension from 17 May 2012 to 17 November 2012, Buakaw said that he is ready to ask the Administrative Court to issue a temporary order [against the suspension] based on his claim that he would have broken his contract [with the organiser of Thai Fight] if he did not fight in the 17 April 2012 event.

Source: http://m.thairath.co.th/content/sport/272105

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Buakaw
ViestiLähetetty: Ma Heinä 02, 2012 9:06 am 
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Interview of BUAKAW BANCHAMEK by Serge TREFEU (2012)


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Serge TREFEU: Hello, how are you, in shape?

BUAKAW POR PRAMUK: Yes well, in great shape

How old are you?

I am 29 years old

You come of what region of the Thailand?

I was born in the village of Ban Ko Kaeo in the region of Surin, in the Isaan (northeast), it is a village in approximately 10 km of the city of Samrong Thap, I grew here with my family which is still there...







Do you married, you have children?

No I have no child, yes I hope a day, but at the moment I even am not still to marry, soon maybe (Laughter)







You have brothers and sisters?

We are five children in the family

You have brothers who fought?

No I am the only boxer of the family

You began the boxing at which age?

In 7 years

Child you were rather a brawler or not all?

Yes just a little, it was rather children's small brawls, more to have fun, I am not a brawler... How you discovered the boxing?

With my older brother who likes the boxing have often looked at fights at the television, my older brother is an enthusiast of boxing it is him who introduced me to Muay Thai!

Your first fight you made him for which age?

In 7 years, I gained my first fight at points, it was in my village, I gained 100 bahts (2,50 euro) …

It's not a lot in relation to you gain today?

Yes of course, it's really nothing, but now that I think of it was still much for a small kid of the countryside (Laughter)

You began Muay Thai in which camp?

Was not it in a camp, I trained at home with my older brother, it's him who taught everything to me, it's him and my father who found me my fights, they were my managers in a sense...

You fought a lot in Isaan?

Yes enormously, between 7 and 12 years I have make 100 fights in all the region of the Northeast!

At what age you went to the camp Por Pramuk?

In fact, when I was 12 years old, Mr Pramuk Rochannatan, a big promoter of Bangkok came in our region, he looked for young boxers for his camp to Chachoengsao, he find me and brought with him in his camp, and since the age of 12 years I stayed in the camp Por pramuk...

In this camp there were many good boxers?

Yes and many boxers became recognized international fighters, there was great champions as Namsaknoi, Chookdee, Ponsawan, Kompayak, Nonthanon and many others...

Why you left the camp Por Pramuk?

I owe a lot to Mr Rochannatan but now I cannot work any more with Team Pramuk, I am henceforth going to dispute under the name of Buakaw Banchamek (Buakaw does not too much want to speak about it, the question a little seems to hamper him)

Today you thus opened your own camp?

Yes, I have just opened my camp in my home town to Ban Ko Kaeo, here, in my home, near my house. With my sponsor Yokkao we have build this camp which is hardly ended, he was made in only 10 days!









Now you are going to train and to prepare your fights in your camp?

Yes I have make build this camp to be able to continue to train correctly because now I want to manage myself my fighter's career. But I also have make this camp for the children of my village, so that they can discover Muay Thai and maybe a day to be lucky as me to live well thanks to this sport...









It's you who will give the lessons to the children of your village?

At the beginning yes but then I plan to make two trainers come who will also take care of young boxers...

There are how many boxers in your camp at the moment?

Only 3 or 4 small boxers, for the moment...









You train differently today in your camp in relation your training for the Por Pramuk Gym?

Yes I have of to change a little my training because I don't have a trainer anymore at the moment, in the morning I am always my 10 km of jogging on the other hand after noon as it's very warm in Isaan, I run only 4 to 5 km, I make many rope and rounds in the punch bag...









The rounds in paos and sessions of clinch don't miss you?

At the moment not too much, from now on of many years than I fights I acquired a lot of experience on the boxing ring and I have need now that to work correctly my physical condition to be at the top...









Today in which category you fight?

In 70 kg







You gained many titles, what are the main belts that you gained?

I gained the belt of the stadium of Omnoi in 126 lbs and 135 lbs, the belt of Thailand in 126 lbs, the belt of the Tournament Toyota in 140 lbs, World Champion WMC's belt in 154 lbs, the belt S1 - 70 kg, twice the belt of the Tournament K1 World Max - 70 kg and the belt of the Tournament Thai Fight - 70 kg!







How much have you make of fights, how much have you of victory and defeat?

I have make more than 300 fights with only about forty defeats and some draws!









You gained many fights by KO?

Yes many, I gained more than 60 victories by KO!

You have which style of boxing?

I am a fighter who moves forward and who is technical, my strength it's to be able to adapt my boxing according to the style of fighter that I have in front of me...

What technique you love most in fight?

Low kick, middles and high kick, I like these techniques in fight!









What was so far your hardest fight?

All the fights are hard but I think that my fights in Japan were among the hardest because the level especially in the Tournament K1 Max the level was very high!

Among the fighters of the K1 Max which you met such as Masato, Kraus, Souwer, Sato, John Wayne Parr, Askerov, Holzken, Drago, Zambidis, which was the most difficult to fight?

It's all great champions who were difficult to fight, I cannot say to you really who was hardest. Before when I fought only in Thailand I believed that the Thai fighters were the strongest of the world, but when I began to travel, I saw that many foreigners were also very good and that there were foreign fighters really so strong as Thai fighters!









You lost only in front of Masato, Sato, Kraus and Souwer, of whom think you of these fighters?

I don't contest my defeats in front of Japanese champions on the other hand, for me, I had to gain against Dutch especially in front of Souwer!

Your best memory of boxing until today?

My victory in Thai Fight because I won at home in Thailand in front of my public, it's my most beautiful memory!









Your victories in Japan for the Tournament K1 Max it also great moments?

Yes of course, they are also good memories especially in Japan because I like public Japanese, I have many fans over there (Laughter)

You fought a lot abroad, how much fight you made abroad?

I have make 56 fights abroad and I like travelling!







And in France, you have make how many fights?

In France I fought three times

You know French boxers?

I know Fabio Pinca the winner of the first one Thai Fight, I also know Skarbowsky who was very strong, I fought him moreover in Hong-Kong (Win on points)...

Justly you had to meet Fabio Pinca in France, why the fight not it is not made?

I cannot say to you about it too much on this fight, there were personal events which perturbed this fight in France (He does not wish to speak about these events)...

Do you think of meeting one day Fabio Pinca?

I don't know, maybe, yes...

You met several times French fighters (Mourad Sari, draw, Djime Coulibaly, win on points, Abdallah Mabel, win on points, Mickael Piscitello, victory by KO), what think you of French fighters?

They are good fighters, often very technical!

For you who is the best nakmuay foreigner?

Before I saw the fights of Ramon Dekkers in video and I thought that it was the foreign the strongest fighter, but when I began to fight often abroad I saw that there were many of the other fighters so hardly as Dekkers, especially in Europe there is very good fighters!

The best Thai boxer at present it is who for you?

I cannot say to you, in Thailand there is a lot, many of the great fighters...

Who is your promoter today?

I don't have a promoter anymore, I just have my manager of the sponsor Yokkao, I work with them henceforth but I wish now managed my career alone, to be independent...

You make a good living with the boxing?

Yes I gained a lot of money, I bought my house, I have a very beautiful car, I am at home with my family, OK, I am well...

What is your purse today?

1 million bahts (25 000 euro)!

When takes place your next fight?

In April to Pattaya for the Tournament Thai Fight, I meet a foreigner, I believe that it is French moreover but I am not sure (French Mickael Cornubet)...

Between the Thailand, Japan and the countries of Europe, in which one you prefer to fight?

In Japan because there is more money but to gain in Thailand in front of public Thai it is also a great honor!

You have make how much fight in Japan?

I had to make more than 30 fights in Japan!

You prefer to fight in Muay Thai or in K1 Rule?

Muay Thai is my discipline for a long time, I am a nak muay, I prefer to fight in Muay Thai but to fight in rule K1 it's well also because he protect the fighter of the grave wounds. The most dangerous in the Thai Boxing it's all the techniques with the pokes which can make wounds important for the fighters during his career, in K1 there are no techniques of pokes...

What would you like to make after the boxing?

Pass on my passion of the boxing in the young generations...

You shot in a Thai movie, a movie about former Muay Thai (Yamada, the Samurai of Ayothaya), whom keep you of this experience?

It was great, a big memory, in more we were several boxers sets in this movie (Anuwat, Seanchai, Yodseanklai, Jareonthong), it was really the good experience which I would like to renew, it 's sure..

Thank you and chookdee for your fight to Pattaya!

Thank you

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Buakaw
ViestiLähetetty: To Heinä 05, 2012 9:12 am 
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Buakaw is back. Vääntö vanhan campin kanssa näyttää päättyneen ja uusi ottelusopimus kuulostaa hyvältä.

Lähde: http://liverkick.com/index.php?option=c ... Amuay-thai

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Well it seems as if the Buakaw-Por Pramuk battle may have come to an end.

An arbitration meeting happened today and when it was over, the court acquitted Buakaw and all parties and declared that Buakaw was allowed to fight again. He will have to use Buakaw Por. Pramuk" as his fight name but is free to train on his own. Now 60% of his fight money will go to him, while 40% goes to Por. Pramuk while 75% of income from all other activities outside of fighting goes towards him, with the other 25% going to Por. Pramuk. Por. Pramuk's lawsuit is withdrawn, with the promoter of Thai Fight also dropping his lawsuit against Por. Pramuk, effectively ending the fight over Buakaw.

The court decided that Buakaw's six month suspension should be solved by the Sport Authority of Thailand and the Board of Boxing Sport, with the solution being that Buakaw is allowed to fight.

Buakaw will be allowed to continue fighting in Thai Fight until the end of the year, when his contract with them ends. Speaking of Thai Fight, there's already rumors of Buakaw's next fight from a source close to Thai Fight, saying that Buakaw will fight on the August 17 Thai Fight show in England against a to be announced opponent.

Buakaw is also free to fight in other events, and is allowed to make the decisions on his own, but he has a contract with Thai Fight that ends in Decembe

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Buakaw vs Pacquiao nyrkkeilymatsi!?!???? Ei Buakawilla ole mitään jakoja.

Lähde: http://www.fightmag.net/?p=19829

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Buakaw vs Pacquiao Boxing Rules December 21 – Confirmed

BREAKING NEWS – On Friday December 21 in Thailand Buakaw Por Pramuk will fight Manny Manny Pacquiao – the fight will be broadcast live on TV in more than 177 countries.

Buakaw Por Pramuk is the most famous muay thai fighters from Thailand, he is 2-time K-1 World Max Champion.

Manny Pacquiao is a legendary world boxing champion from Philippines.

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Manny ottelee Juan Manuel Marquezia vastaan 8.12. Facebookissa kirjoitetaan, että sopimus on allekirjoitettu tänään ja Manny saa 10 milj. euroa ja Buakaw 25 000 e.

Eiköhän asiasta ala kuulua kohta joka nyrkkeilysaitilla jos tämä on totta.

Manny KO1

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Huh, huh mitä paskaa... Siis sekä itse ottelu että huhuttu palkkiojakauma.

Mutta, veikkaanpa, että toteutuessaan tämä olisi kuitenkin vain näytösottelu.


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Mun mielestä toi palkka jakauma ois oikeuden mukainen, jos toi olis mui tai matsi x)


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Yllättäen tätä matsia ei käydä, tosin Buakaw voisi saada toisenlaisen nyrkkeilyopitunnin.

Lähde: http://thescienceof8limbs.com/2012/10/1 ... -for-real/

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Buakaw’s allegedly confirmed fight with Manny Pacquaio was pretty thoroughly proven to never ever happen. The event was reported to be authentically confirmed and made the rounds of internet blogs and Muay Thai sites the world over in a wild fire like fashion. However the supposed event has apparently caught more than one person’s attention. Among those paying attention, Manus Boonjumnong, Thailand’s most successful amateur international boxer.

Now here’s the twist of the latest development regarding the Manny Pacquaio challenge, Manus Boonjumnong, has decided to pursue a Muay Thai career. Among his career international boxing highlights Manus, won gold at the 2004 Olympics and silver at the 2008 Games.

Manus called it day on boxing after trying and failing to get on the Thai Olympic boxing Team for a third time.
After trying Muay Thai at a recent exhibition match in his home province of Ratchaburi, Manus said he liked it. Enough so, that Manus is now moving forward with pursuing a career as a professional Muay Thai fighter.

The Bangkok Post reports that Manus had a pretty active night life but now has paused that life style in pursuit of a career as a Thaiboxer.

Manus openly mocked the alleged fight booked between Buakaw Banchamek (Por Pramuk) of K-1 MAX fame and Manny Pacquaio. Pacquaio of course being widely acknowledged as among the pound for pound elite of his sport.
The Bangkok Post quotes Manus as saying “Who will pay about 90 million baht to bring Pacquiao to fight here?”
He said it would be risky for Buakaw to face a fighter who is good at punching because he could be fragile to the weapon.

“Everybody in Thailand’s boxing circle knows that Buakaw cannot be punched,” Manus said.
“I don’t know who raised the idea of pitting him against Pacquiao.”
He then challenged Buakaw to fight him instead.
“If there is anyone who is interested in promoting a fight between Buakaw and me, I am ready to give him a few boxing lessons,” he said.

At 32 years old Manus and Buakaw are roughly close to the same age so it’d be hard to argue which of the two is more at the career peak than the other. Personally, I don’t find it likely that this fight will ever coalesce into the real thing but the freak fight fan in me wants to see it. And there you have it a *CONFIRMED* open challenge anyway.

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Nuoren rivi-Buakawin ko-voitto.

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Nuoren rivi-Buakawin ko-voitto.

Vaikka lopussa tanssittiinkin ripaskaa niin oli toi vastustaja vahva kaveri. Buakaw se ei näköjään hammassuojista piittaa.

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